Natrix. This
happens when we can't automatically assign an identification to one of the
output taxa.
Review identifications of Natrix natrix 29339
Taxonomic Split 65139
(Tehty 19-11-2019)
See https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/368437 and https://www.inaturalist.org/flags/295862
Natrix natrix (sensu lato) has been split twice. First Pokrant et al., 2016 split off Natrix natrix ssp. astreptophora (snakes west of the Pyrenees) as Natrix astreptophora
Then Kindler et al., 2017 split off snakes west of the Rhine as Natrix helvetica, specitically:
Natrix natrix ssp. helvetica
Natrix natrix ssp. cetti
Natrix natrix ssp. lanzai
Natrix natrix ssp. sicula
Natrix natrix ssp. corsa
leaving Natrix natrix sensu stricto (east of the Rhine) as:
Natrix natrix ssp. calabra
Natrix natrix ssp. cypriaca
Natrix natrix ssp. fusca
Natrix natrix ssp. gotlandica
Natrix natrix ssp. natrix
Natrix natrix ssp. persa
Natrix natrix ssp. schweizeri
Natrix natrix ssp. scutata
Natrix natrix ssp. syriaca
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I'll try to fix this - Are Veneto and Friuli-Venezia Giulia snakes Natrix natrix or a mix of Natrix natrix and Natrix helvetica?
Hi @loarie , thanks!
Veneto & Friuli-Venezia Giulia -> genus Natrix (mixed N. helvetica - N. Natrix, lack of genetic data)
All the rest of Italy -> N. helvetica
Best!
D.
Seems that the problem about Italy is still unresolved: is there any way we can help?
agree with @aaroniemma & @danieleseglie issue still to be solved!
As for the problem with Bufotes, if I may add...
Hi @loarie , are there any updates related to the possibility of fixing this issue without re-identifying again all the obs?
Best,
Thanks!
D.
working on this now - sorry for the delay. Its complicated....
OK should be fixed now - sorry for the initial screw up and the delay fixing it. Let me know if anything looks odd
Now everything seems fine! Thanks a lot as usual @loarie ! Best!
Hi @loarie , as in these flags ( https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/851211-Natrix-helvetica/flags & https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/966787-Natrix-natrix/flags ) all Italian Natrix natrix obs (except Veneto and Friuli-Venezia Giulia, NE Italy) should have been assigned to the taxon Natrix helvetica.
See FigS1 here https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41598-018-20218-2/MediaObjects/41598_2018_20218_MOESM1_ESM.pdf
Now, probably due to an error in the atlas, most of them were assigned to Natrix natrix (e.g., https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/6054057 )
while those of western Italy have been assigned to the genus Natrix ( https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/27680553 )
It is possible to fix or t is necessary to identify again all the observations?
Best